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TJ #1: No, we behave as our brains allow. This is proof that there is no 'Free Will'.
#3: It was predetermined that they would do exactly what they did; they had psychologies that were destined to take advantage of their environment.
#5: you and I are destined to do what our brains tell us.
#5: But there's still no blindness here, society was destined to identify those [Stalin, Mao, etc.] as antisocial behaviors and punish them accordingly.
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Stalin & Mao were punished by “society?â€â€”They were the “society,†back when they were in charge. Hello?
OK, so it’s your view that while individuals are “destined†to behave however it is that they behave, “society,†nevertheless, has somehow, concurrently, been “destined†to “identify†& “punish†“antisocial behaviorsâ€; and that that apparently, somehow, eliminates any implied “blindness†. . . in (using Dawkins’s words) a pitiless, indifferent universe of “electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication.â€
Well Tom, your doublethink just isn’t terribly convincing. So nothing has changed—the actual evidence continues to indicate that we humans do indeed have some amount of free will, and moral responsibility, individually and collectively (and I’d add, in a universe that is not here just somehow by chance). Even Todd agrees that we have some sort of “free willâ€â€”although he doesn’t seem to appreciate that human consciousness requires more than algorithms.
Your doublethink and/or lack of rigor has become more tedious than I care to continue to respond to.