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Carey: Way to avoid the point I made, Fred!
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And this from a guy who, just in his previous post, discharged the following rhetoric:
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I still think there's a solid case for the argument that natural selection in practice - the process that actually occurs in the real world - is completely non-circular. The bare-bones, generalistic concept of selection as survival of the fittest has always been circular, as you and many other people in the past have repeatedly pointed out, but as soon as you begin to consider ecological detail, that apparent circularity just isn't important at all.
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OK Carey, I give up, you win: Natural selection’s “apparent circularity just isn't important at all.†Wow, that was painful.