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Unread January 22nd, 2007, 12:47 AM
Henry Stein Henry Stein is offline
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Default No Spanking Legislation in California

(From the internet) A California lawmaker says she has proposed a law that would make spanking a small child a crime to be punished by jail time or a fine.

The bill, backed by Democrat Sally Lieber of San Francisco, a member of the state legislature, would outlaw spanking children three years old or younger and carry a possible penalty of jail time or a 1,000-dollar fine.

"I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child three years old or younger," said Lieber, who plans to introduce the bill next week.

The bill, which was still being drafted, would make the crime a misdemeanor and be written to ban "any striking of a child, any corporal punishment, smacking, hitting, punching, any of that," Lieber said.

According to Alfred Adler, in Chapter IX of The Collected Clinical Works of Alfred Adler, Volume 12:
"Understandably, most psychologies want to eliminate the spanking of children. Spanking always shows that a person does not understand what is going on, does not understand a child's life style, wants to change a symptom and not the whole personality. We cannot change a personality by spanking."
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Unread January 23rd, 2007, 10:42 PM
George Neeson George Neeson is offline
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Unhappy Re: No Spanking Legislation in California

Totally agree with the intent of the law, but are remedial teaching programs provided by those who are seeking to punish the mistaken? It seems innappropriate to punish without attempting to inform, encourage and assist parents who learned these behaviours transgenerationally.
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Unread January 31st, 2007, 05:05 PM
Manu Jaaskelainen Manu Jaaskelainen is offline
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Default Re: No Spanking Legislation in California

I am not willing to discuss any possible laws in California, but spanking is a theme which deserves some attention. In Finland, spanking is explicitly forbidden in law, but there are still many parents who practices this mistaken method. Some of them explain that they "wanted to control the situation". However, physical punishment never leads to any control, but, instead to more chaos. In some unhappy cases, parents are regularly spanking a child who has some neurological problem, e.g. ADHD syndrome, or something which reminds of it. Use of physical punishment in these cases will lead to more misery and dangerous feelings of inferiority, and worsens the initiative of the child. In Finland, some institutions are conducting regularly studies on the use of physical punishment, how widely it is practiced, and how many parents accept this practice. I am not sure that we are able to eliminate this habit with the help of psychological counseling. Counseling and education in these cases are always good things, provided there are enough resources available. Public campaigns, opinion studies, use of literature, film and tv are certainly useful, especially television, because many people do not read much in these days. A law gives a political signal of the will of nation, but law as such never stops an adverse behavior so long as some people feel that this adverse behavior is somehow useful for them. People should be educated to understand that all use of force always and unconditionally leads to more chaos and more problems, and does not solve anything.
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