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![]() It may seem to go without saying that CT's attempts to modify automatic thoughts, dysfunctional beliefs, and cognitive distortions are responsible for CT's effects and that therefore, that it is important for us to spend time in therapy working on dysfunctional cognitions. However, there are many other aspects of CT that could be responsible for its effectiveness. For example, CT includes "non-specific" factors such as the therapist's empathy and includes many behavioral interventions along with the cognitive interventions. Thus, studies that show that CT works do not necessarily provide evidence that cognitive change is important.
Studies that show that dysfunctional cognitions decrease when depressed individuals are treated with medication alone have led some to conclude that decreases in dysfunctional cognitions are an effect of decreases in depression, not a cause of decreases in depression. In fact, some (Steve Hayes comes to mind) argue that the types of changes in cognition that CT tries to accomplish are unnecessary or are counterproductive. At this point, we have many studies that show that CBT is effective with a broad range of problems but many fewer studies that examine whether the cognitive changes that CT seeks to achieve have an important influence on outcome. Fortunately, a number of studies have been designed to examine the role that cognitive change plays in the effectiveness of CT. In a recent study of the multidisciplinary treatment of chronic pain, Burns and his colleagues (Burns, et al, 2003) used a cross-lagged panel design to examine whether cognitive changes were a cause of improvement or an effect of improvement. They found that early-treatment changes in catastrophising and helplessness predicted late-treatment changes in outcome measures but not vice-versa. They also found that early-treatment depression changes predicted late-treatment activity changes but not vice versa. These results provide support for the hypothesis that changes in cognition are a cause of improvement rather than being a result of improvement. In another recent study, Beevers et al (2003) examined the relationship between degree of cognitive change during treatment for depression and rate of relapse. In a sample of individuals who had achieved at least a 50% improvement in depressive symptoms, the researchers found that both a poor change in dysfunctional attitudes and a poor change in extreme thinking predicted a faster return of depressive symptoms. Note: This isn't a systematic review, just a couple of studies I've encountered recently, but at least is gives us some support for the idea that achieving cognitive change is important. Beevers, C. G., Keitner, G. I., Ryan, C. E. & Miller, I. W. (2003). Cognitive predictors of symptom return following depression treatment. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 71, 488-496. |
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![]() You'r discussion of the causal connection between thinking and emotion is revealing. Upon 2nd reading it was clearer you're noted research appears to support the notion that a change of - mind (distorted thinking) may precede changes in emotion and ultimately adjustment. One thing that has impressed me over time is how slow going the use of disputation seems to be. It has occurred to me though, if George Kelley's premise is true that our constructs are layered upon a fairly rigid hiearchy, changing one habit of mind may require something akin to a seismic shift in prioritizing perception and motivation. Your note that some see CT strategies as counterproductive might be involved with this predicament of disputing the wrong layer of one's constructs and having the consequence of firming up resisitance.
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![]() As you suggest, there can be a variety of reasons that it is "slow going" when we try to change the client's dysfunctional cognitions. Here are a number of points that come to mind:
There are some problems, such as depression, where we spend quite a bit of time working directly to change dysfunctional cognitions. However, there are other problems where we spend much more of our time working towards behavior change, helping clients improve their coping skills, working towards acceptance, etc. |
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![]() James, you contrast REBT-type 'disputation' with 'Socratic questioning'. However, for a good twenty years or more the Socratic method has been recommended by REBT researchers and writers as the most appropriate way to conduct disputation. The term 'disputation' is often misunderstood to mean directly contradicting or arguing with clients, which is usually counterproductive. I suspect that this misunderstanding arises partly from the use of the term 'disputation' itself. REBT continues to use it, though, because it begins with 'D' and thus conveniently fits into the ABC model. The other reason may be that the founder of REBT, Albert Ellis, tends to be rather didactic in his approach to resructuring cognitions, and practitioners who are aware of this - perhaps through seeing a video of Ellis in action - assume that all REBT therapists use the same approach. According to modern REBT, the most effective approach to disputation is Socratic.
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![]() Socrates himself would insist that these two terms ("disputation" & "Socratic questioning") be properly defined before they could be compared or contrasted. I don't have enough experience with REBT to speak to the clarity of "disputation", but the term "Socratic questioning" (and, for that matter, "Socratic method") are a hopeless muddle. Carey and Mullen do a nice job of reviewing existing "Socratic" literature in the September 2004 issue of Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training.
To paraphrase: existing literature does a great job of explaining the importance of Socratic questioning, but "someone wishing to learn Socratic questioning could not discern from the literature what the procedure was, when it should be used, how it should be used, or what it should be used for." Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, in an opinion on pornography wrote, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material … but I know it when I see it." Unfortunately, I think many of us are satisfied to take a similar approach to the concept of Socratic questioning. This vague definition seems to satisfy, and allows us to avoid nit-picky semantic battles...and yet, it does nothing to answer some very tough questions about this Socratic questioning, namely: When employing Socratic questioning, does the therapist guide the client to a pre-determined answer, or does the therapist simply elicit an answer already "inside" the client? (Is this technique essentially didactic or collaborative?) Are there different kinds or categories of Socratic questions?Does the term "Socratic method" encompass techniques other than questioning? The fact that leaders in the field of psychotherapy (and even within the cognitive therapy fold) differ so dramatically in their answers to these questions raises an even meatier question: Is the research, practice, and training of psychotherapy comprimised by an inability to define terms? Unfortunately, I think the answer to that last question is yes. It's easy to see the results of such conceptual sloppiness when you look at our approach to the currently fashionable topic of spirituality, for example. I'm willing to bet that if we asked 30 psychotherapists to define this term, we'd get 30 different answers without a single element that unites them. Yet we devote reams of paper in professional journals to the discussion of this topic as if we were all referring to some accepted operational definition. |
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![]() It is not easy to define terms precisely and then get everyone to agree to the definition (no matter what one's theoretical orientation is) and it certainly would be a good thing if there were more of a consensus on how important terms are defined. However, I think CT is fairly clear about what we mean when we talk about "Socratic questioning" or "guided discovery."
In Cognitive Therapy of Depression (1979, pp.69-71) Beck and company say: "Use Questioning Rather Than Disputation and IndocrinationA more contemporary discussion of how we use questioning can be found in the summary of the princilpes of CT that Dr. Beck and I included in our chapter for the second edition of Major Theories of Personality Disorder (Lenzenweger & Clarkin, 2004): "The approach used in Cognitive Therapy has been described as "collaborative empiricism" (Beck, et al., 1979, Chap. 3). The therapist endeavors to work with the client to help him or her to recognize the factors that contribute to problems, to test the validity of the thoughts, beliefs, and assumptions which prove important, and to make the necessary changes in cognition and behavior. While it is clear that very different therapeutic approaches ranging from philosophical debate to operant conditioning can be effective with at least some clients, collaborative empiricism has substantial advantages. By actively collaborating with the client, the therapist minimizes the resistance and oppositionality which is often elicited by taking an authoritarian role, yet the therapist is still in a position to structure each session as well as the overall course of therapy so as to be as efficient and effective as possible (Beck, et al., 1979, Chap. 4).Beck, A. T., Rush, A. J., Shaw, B. F., & Emery, G. (1979). Cognitive therapy of depression. New York: Guilford Press. Pretzer, J. L. & Beck, A. T. (2004). A cognitive theory of personality disorders. In: M. Lenzenweger & J. Clarkin (Eds.) Major theories of personality disorder (2nd Edition). New York: Guilford Press. |
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![]() An idea that seems implicit, or "between the lines" in the notion of collaborative empiricism is that the therapist is helping the client achieve more coherent cognition - that is, thoughts that agree with more stable beliefs. ONce the client recognizes that s/he is thinking things s/he doesn't believe, there is motivation and progress...
Has this notion - of therapy as promoting coherence / reducing contradictoin - been developed explicitly by anybody in the CT literature? |
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![]() This is an interesting concept that I haven't seen developed in the literature. However, there is a lot that I haven't read so I may have missed it.
The idea that the coherence (or lack thereof) of one's cognitions is what's important sounds like the sort of concept that the constructivists would like a lot. More traditional CT authors (among whom I must count myself) would argue that the point to collaborative empiricism is to test cognitions against external reality so that the client ends up with cognitions that are more realistic and incidentally are more coherent. My bet is that some of the constructivists would argue that external reality is unknowable, that all meaning is constructed by the individual, and that coherence is what's important. If you're looking for a dissertation topic, this may have potential. |
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![]() I´m afraid it´s not OK the reference of the first article. I have found at
Beevers, Christopher G.1,2,4; Keitner, Gabor I.1,3; Ryan, Christine E.1,3; Miller, Ivan W.1,2. Cognitive Predictors of Symptom Return Following Depression Treatment. Journal of Abnormal Psychology 112(3) August 2003 p 488–496 |
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![]() According to currently burgeoning "third wave approaches" such as Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) it might be more important to change the client's dysfunctional cognitions and responses to dysfunctional cognitions. Something, of course, which has been done implicitly, within CT of the traditional "Beckian" type, anyway. You cannot really do any thought record without "standing back" from your cognitions. A closer look at Haye's et al. work might be helpful in this debate
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